"Only spooks can dance on time right Jeffrey?"
Posted by jeffery on 12/13/2003, 5:06 pm 


"What I want to know is what the hell YOU look like when you are doing 
that retarded "funky dance" of yours that you do every morning...or even 
better...what the hell you look like when you practice your "funk-fu". 
Funny how you stopped mentioning that shit for a while now. Let me guess, 
youve got more rhythym that Brittany right...??? 
Only spooks can dance on time right Jeffrey?"
-from the post 
Re: she's better than britney
Posted by Youa re such an idiot on 12/13/2003, 9:34 am, 
in reply to "she's better than britney" 


dont know if "Jeffrey" is me jeffery but one of my 
current projects has been capturing and 
documenting my groove and rhythm. i want to
have tangible evidence of grooves and rhythms. 

.../rhythm/20031212_strictlyquickly_218kbs_320x.wmv
.../video/rhythm/20031205_me_in_the_groove_218kbs_320.wmv
(the above links are now a part of me in a groove2003a)

and i am not the person mentioned above but everyday
when im in healthy spirits i dance in my car on 
the way to work. (my funky dance). and sometimes 
i can get into a very deep spiritual groove.

and in my car on the freeway when i hit a groove 
i know that most of the people around me that see me 
dont have the rhythm or physical ability to make movements
that are this happy, stong, intelligent and visually stimulating.
yes, hittin a rhythm with such timing and so tight you can tell
that intelligence is involved.

video notes:
when viewing via high speed cable on my slower machines
the video is extremely choppy and the real rhythm can
almost NOT be felt (like 200 mhz, 100MB ram, win 2000)

but when viewing on the 2.4ghz laptop the rhythm can be felt
and im almost satisfied with how my groove is captured. 

I DO NOT GET OFF BEAT IN ANY PART OF THESE VIDEOS 
I DO NOT GET OFF BEAT IN ANY PART OF THESE VIDEOS 
I DO NOT GET OFF BEAT IN ANY PART OF THESE VIDEOS

AND THIS WAS A SPONTANEOUS THING. I DID NOT PLAN TO
DO THIS. I WAS MOVED WHEN LISTENING TO WEFUNKONLINE.COM
P-FUNK RADIO AND GRABBED MY CAMERA AND DID IT. THIS WAS
NOT SET UP OR REHEARSED. AND STILL JUST FUNKIN AROUND-

I DO NOT GET OFF BEAT IN ANY PART OF THESE VIDEOS 
I DO NOT GET OFF BEAT IN ANY PART OF THESE VIDEOS 
I DO NOT GET OFF BEAT IN ANY PART OF THESE VIDEOS

if it appears that im off beat its either the video or you!!! 

but because of the way i digitize the video and audio
via my camcorder's built-in streaming usb port, the
digitzed video skips and is not as smooth as it is
when viewing straight from the tape. i am
looking into getting an external digitzer. 

cause though you can see my rhythm and groove, it CANNOT
be fully appreciated until you see how precise,
ontime, smooth and graceful my movement is. its
hard to appreciate how intimate my physical movement
flows with the music and the beat. i am going to
find a better way to digitize video just so i can
capture precisely as possible rhythms and grooves.

and notice how once i start a groove, I NEVER LOOSE THE 
ORIGINAL GROOVE. I EFFORTLESSLY MAINTAIN THE BEAT.
even when i loose my balance or miscue, i maintian
the original rhythm i started with. even when i move
the camera or take my shirt and glasses off, im still
on beat. 

im not doing any specific moves or dances, im letting
my body flow with the beat and doing what i feel
comes naturally. moving precisely with the music
with a casual effort. 

i am not a professional dancer or musician. i have
never taken dance lessons. nobody sat down and 
taught me how to do this. if its natural, genetic,inherited, 
cultural, racial i dont know. but im researching to find out.

also note how "happy" and "healthy" i move. these
are the movements of a content secure animal that is more
than just satisfied. the movement and gestures of
any living creature will almost always directly 
reflect his health and condition. a wounded or sick
animal (human or other) moves a certain way. same as
with a healthy animal. example; you can tell when a dog 
is happy and/or healthy by his actions and movements.
this boy is havin fun and he aint fakin it

i am more than just dancing to a beat, it is 
clear that i am feeling it, reacting to it and
expressing an internal emotion of joy and happiness
in my dance.

i may have never seen a white person groove like this ever-
at best they imitate and most even dont do that well

(nothing against white people, i love them. but the facts remain.
white people excel in other areas not mentioned here) 

and in my experience a very high percentage of black people 
can do this almost routinely. i can walk to a black stranger,
snap my fingers twice and on the 3rd he's with me and we in groove

im not saying "all black people" or "all white people," anything. 
im saying that for the most part in my experience the above statements are true

all questions and comments are appreciated

i hide myself from no one

(well yeah maybe i shouldnt have taken off my shirt LOL
but i wanted to capture the movement and rhythm of how 
i move my spine and how precise my bodygestures are to the beat) 

the ability to move like this is euphoric
its like self inducing a natural drug
the ability to move like this at all times-
even freely and without apprehension in public is heaven 



igotrhythm.com

hey, leave my breastessess out of this!! 
Posted by jeffery on 12/16/2003, 8:43 pm, in reply to "Mr Jeffrey..." 

"Mr Jeffrey...
Posted by scarred 4 life on 12/16/2003, 5:14 pm 
Frankly I dont't know what I find to be more disturbing...the fact that you take yourself that seriously, or the fact that you felt the need to show the rest of the world your jiggling man-boobs. I must agree with MrCMT, what you call dancing is mostly bopping up and down to a beat. It was nowhere near visually stimulating, in fact, I think I've been emotionally scarred. Which gets me to my next point; DANCING IS AN ARTFORM!!!! ART IS RELATIVE!!!" 


ive lost weight and am still loosing. and i take all this very very seriously.

in my original post with the video i did not refer to what i was doing as a dance. my intention was to spotlight my groove and rhythm. “im not doing any specific moves or dances.” i agree, dancing now is mostly seen as an artform and to judge art is subjective. (i believe “dance” to be primal and began as expressions of true emotion, not moves or an art). the point i was trying to make is that I WAS ON BEAT and not doing any dances or moves. it was about natural rhythm. now i ask, if you have the strength to recall the visual of me without being scarred again, did i ever get off beat? CAN YOU effortlessy and inherently maintain a beat for 5+ minutes? if you can cool. if you cant cool too. but there is a difference in the two.

being on beat and the ability to maintain a rhythm is not subjective or arbitrary. you are or you are not. you can or you cannot. the quality of one’s dance or moves i dont judge or critque, ONLY if its on beat or not. and if rhythm is maintained. 



"So what you call dance, some would call crap and vice versa." 

agreed. i would never comment on the style of a person’s dance. only if its on beat or not.

"But what you really seem to harp on and on about is race...so....let me diffuse your flawed theory. A few posts back you listed what you thought to be rhythmicly peoples that were not "blacks". -and by blacks I assume you mean black Americans- you see Mr. Jeffrey, some of the races you mentioned like Mexicans or Cubans come in every color in the book."

yes i did list some people who were not black, (but i also listed some that were black) cause i was not making racial distinctions at that point. the post is titled: “the only culture or people i cant picture with groove is bush’s and blair’s” then i went on to list all the cultures and people i could think of who i could picture displaying an inherent rhythm. cultures, regardless of color.


"Look at Sammy Sosa. If you were to ask Sammy what he was he wouldnt say Black or Negro (spanish) , he would say he was Dominican. Sammys native tongue is spanish and his native dances are latin american in nature. Those dances are also danced by WHITE Dominicans as well..."



sammy is african before he is dominican. yes, nationality is usually spread across races, but sammy descended from the african race, which black american people also descended from. (and yes i do tend to mean “black” as “black american” but thats a whole nother topic) therefore he could be considered “black” regardless of what he calls himself. and white dominicans are not the whites i may have narrowed all this to 

"who have more of a concept of rhythym and dance than you ever will.... and believe me.....I think your ass would be lost in a Latin club of any kind..."

man im at the point i can groove to and find the beat in ANY music or rhythm- latin or otherwise. i listen to everything from middle eastern to polka and can vibe it all, even country. my rhythm is now at a point i can groove to (not dance) the sound of running water or even a car engine. i hear rhythm in everything. shit, sometimes i create “broken rhythm” or try to create patterns that have no rhythm against rhythms just to make things interesting. when im in my car and hear another cars music, i sometimes i try to keep the beat of the two different musics just to push myself. like i said, i take this very seriously. 


"My point is this.....you can't just break it down to color...doing so would ignore country of origin and the culture behind it....so therefore...your theory on color being the predominate factor in rhythym and dance is flawed." 

in my early study i admit it does seem i broke it down to black and white. maybe cause thats what my experience showed me. maybe i used the wrong terminology or spoke in a way that gave the impression i made absolute distinctions. ive learned from conversation to issue the disclaimer “im not saying “all black people this” or “all white people that.” 

and im not sure i ever said or even believe that color is the predominate factor in rhythym and dance. i wouldnt directly make that statement. i sincerely believe im only pointing out my experiences of rhythm and race. 

but since we on the race subject, why is the NBA and NFL....nevermind LOL 


"You seem to now be leaning towards a theory that white upper class conservatives are now the rhythemless oness. Well, with that theory you must be claiming that money = no rhythym...."

no, thats a great leap and is just wrong, its not money and thats not what i meant. the point that i was tryin to make there is that poor whites seem to be in touch with rhythm. maybe im wrong in thinking that country, hillbilly, bluegrass, and etc music (this is music and people with rhythms) comes from the poor and “earthy”. i wanted to seperate them from the white upper class who seem to refined to feel anything or groove or get down (not dance) with anything. and maybe this “upper class’s” wealth came from a “common heritage” 

"now does that really make sense???? So in your research will you find a black republican in a mercades listening to a Yanni record and snapping off beat????" 

yep. maybe i would and yes there are people like that.

"Come on man....get off it already. Your kind of thinking is what perpetuates the very stereotypes you call unfunky." 

i never said stereotypes are unfunky. i do not think all stereotypes are wrong. shit, i think stereotypes have some validity to them. i prolly shouldnt go here but #### it. its been said that black people are lazy. depending on your perspective, this could have been true. 

maybe people of african descent evolved (thousands of years) in a climate and environment where food was plentiful and competition for that food was minimal. thereby making them “less determined.” maybe they evolved inside an easier lifestyle. maybe white people evolved in a more cold winter type environment where food was scarce and competiton for that food was high. for them to survive this harsher life they had to naturally “work” harder and be more determined just to survive. whereas a person of color who evolved in a warmer climate (warmer climates food is more plentiful) didnt have to be so determined to survive. even today people of warmer climates have a more easy going dispostion. 

it is estimated that it took 20,000 years once out of africa to evolve to a white person. white people’s skin is not adapted to large amounts of sun. an indication is how easy they sunburn to this day. i believe that the climate and environment they had to evolve in to be an almost 100% winter and evidence of ice ages and its location match with caucasians and northern europeans. food is not plentiful in anybody’s winter. 

so maybe when white people encountered black people to them black people were “lazy” and whatever cause they werent running around all the time trying to survive and didnt have a such a deep competitive nature. (it is said that animals only overeat where food is scarce, this would lead to greed) 

also early black people (african) did not have the same value system as whites, so the things they thought important where not the same as whites. 

so then whites made judgements based on their own perspectives and their experiences. thinking that all people should be and act as they do. i know i shouldnt have dropped that hypothesis here cause i know i left myself open for all kinds of shit. 


"We might as well go back to the theory that blacks are dumber and not as leadership-orriented than whites because more whites hold positions of authority. Three fifths anyone??????"


and as far as blacks being dumber, think from the perspective of white people again who made these statements. early black people were not accustommed or even familiar to white culture and white ways. so to a white person a black person would appear “dumb” and lost trying to operate within a white system he knew nothing about. as far as leadership roles, how could blacks be leaders in a system that they didnt understand cause it was not their’s and not taught to them? hell, white people damn near just started to let us read!!!! black people were kept dumb by law!! regardless of what you are, you need experience to be a leader. whites compared blacks to whites who had generations and generations of experience in this white system and these ways. 


i got carried away, oh well. im feeling it. 

IM ALWAYS OPEN FOR DIALOGUE, keep it coming!!!



anybody else got questions?
bring it on!!!!

Dancing evokes ecstatic euphoria
Posted by bfunkey on 12/16/2003, 9:51 pm, 
in reply to "hey, leave my breastessess out of this!! " 


When I dance I'm sure it's better for me than anyone subjected to viewing my gyrations.
I love to dance to live music and regardless of how I look or how many toes I step on I'm getting mine and go home. 
That is how I rationalize all my $pending on concert tickets. 
When dancing I am having a near-religious experience and working up a sweat all in one.


There are alot of rhythms in the world
and so far as music, Funk is the one I get off on.

I ran into a website that you'd porbably find interesting. Not really about dancing, though...

http://www.hermes-press.com/high_myst.htm

It's all moot. Jeff says groove not = Dance. I think I see 
Posted by PFunkJazz on 12/17/2003, 12:31 am, 
in reply to "Dancing evokes ecstatic euphoria" 


It's metaphysical and therefore totally subjective.